I ETA’d some stuff in my other post before you responded. I kind of see your point about the Khan thing now, but as I’ve said, I’m not a trekkie, so I don’t know how huge of a deal he was.
You keep addressing Nick Fury(which people have already pointed out is a skewed example), but that was not the only example I used. Be mad at all instances, not just some.(The Wildlings, Will Smith) Don’t say erasure or racial replacement is okay for one race, but not the other. Because that’s BS no matter how you spin it.
I stand my point that you shouldn’t just randomly insert POC into non-black roles to AA them. I also agree with you that white people shouldn’t be playing POC. My thing is, I think it’s racist to not treat both the same. I think that’s hypocritical. Pointing out inconsistencies in how people react to either side of racism or replacement isn’t.
POC need more significant and non-minstrel like roles. This is true. I’ve already stated I take issue with this(citing examples of the types of awards given to black people).But that doesn’t mean you should just randomly insert them where they don’t make sense or would be inaccurate.
I do think it would’ve made more sense to just cast Cumberbatch in a different role(though why people are getting mad at the actor, I have no clue), and I think that Hollywood should focus more on creating reasonable and rounded POC characters.
But I have to disagree with you on your last point, because if you turn on any Tyler Perry movie, or watch anything on BET and see just how many black people are supporting it, black people are just as guilty at times of putting themselves in boxes.
If we really want more interesting or significant roles, we are going to have to start making a stand and refusing to give in/create stereotype feeding minstrel shows. There are some really great POC directors who are trying to break new ground(Shonda Grimes, Steve Mcqueen) but in order for Hollywood to take us seriously, folks need to stop complaining on the Internet and actually go out and do something about it and standing together, which is why I’m so interested in the film business. Hollywood is built on perpetuating stereotypes for entertainment(fat people are funny, gay people are extra and sassy, white people are dorks, etc.) but nothing’s going to happen unless we stop feeding into it. I have now discussed this subject more than I ever felt like doing, but thanks for responding.
Like I said, I’m not personally going to get at both on this subject when one holds more weight than the other to me.When one set of children’s self-esteem are being affect more by these incidences then that issue will take precedence
I disagree with the idea that expressing one’s concerns on the Internet doesn’t generate any action as we’ve seen one tumblr illustrate the opposite of that when they were credited by various news channels and sit with the documentation of responses towards the casting of a particular Hunger Games character. I think people downplay how much of an impact complaints and discussions on a board such as this on the internet may have elsewhere.
Have a nice night.
1. I’ve said this repeatedly: Khan was a culturally inaccurate character. His character was racist from it’s inception, which is why I find this sudden outcry absurd.
From what I’ve learned, his character was one to invoke empathy with the audience, he was also a well-written character at that and was called one of the top villains of all time, I believe. The recasting only insinuated the same thing whitewashing does, that only white people have that kind of marketability. And that’s why there is an outcry.
Just because a POC played him before, doesn’t mean that that portrayal was any better, because not all brown people speak for each other. I find this just as racist. That’s another issue in Hollywood—lumping all POC as the same.
Hollywood had the opportunity to get it right and get the casting inline. They didn’t take, and so it’s whitewashing. People are upset because they shouldn’t have to settle for whitewashing or brownfacing, but an accurate portrayal.
The Nick Fury/Will Smith thing was just an example, because I believe that if you’re going to be pissed at one form of racial replacement, be fucking mad at every instance. I see people Asian casting characters from ASOIAF(namely, the Wildling Beyond the Wall who were largely white) and heard nary a fuss. Racial replacement in any case is not okay to me.
Nick Fury was playing a black character. Being mad at both cases of race-lifting would mean that their both equal and as I said before, they’re not.
So would it have been better if Bencio Del Toro, another non-Indian actor would have played him? I do think though, that it might’ve soothed people to just create a different villain entirely, since Khan was apparently so iconic.
As it was a suggestion as well as just having the character keep the first name he gave in the movie.
2. When you cast a black actor, or insert POC into fancasts that wouldn’t make sense, I count that as AA.
That’s not Hollywood nor is it erasure compared to fancasting white actors in roles that doesn’t match on a racial aspect.
There needs to be more diverse POC casting in general, but I think it’s absurd when people say there should’ve been more black people in LOTR just because, even though there have been multiple arguments as to why this doesn’t make sense.
3. That was in response to someone who reblogged you, so my mistake. I’m not “copping out” of anything though. I’m using examples to say that if you get mad at one thing, you should get mad at the other. Just like if you’re going to get mad at female stereotypes, you should get mad at male stereotypes. You can’t just choose one side and say you’re covering both.
I find saying that not talking about a black man portraying himself in a comic is hypocritical and justifies the dismissing of whitewashing is a cop-out.
Like I said before ‘the other’ doesn’t have the same impact, ‘the other’ doesn’t take away or force people into boxes.
It really amazes me how people will argue that we can’t have an character of color be played by an actor of color for the sake of it, but they will fight tooth and nail to make sure white characters are played by white actors and actresses.
Because white people are totally better at playing people of color than people of color.
Sometimes, I feel that a lot of the social justice bloggers take things too far when berating a particular form of media, like a tv show or movie or book.
Often I see things like, “oh, you killed the one black character on insert-media-here, so the writer must automatically be racist” and then you drop that media in outrage because of it.
I can understand groups wanting to see examples of those groups in popular media. And that’s fine; as a gay man myself, I would rather see more gay characters. And maybe I don’t see it the right way for other people, but I don’t notice really notice race or ethnicity or sexual orientation in any well-done form of media. If I enjoy it, those characters’ identities and attributes blend together and eventually recede into the background when watching/reading. I would rather appreciate a storyline involving the character that was done well, than forming a character based on unfair stereotypes and putting them in the background.
I guess I notice things more the more stereotypical they become. But if every character is treated relatively fairly (based on story requirement), then I don’t tend to notice those characters for their identities and more for what those characters have accomplished.
But then people on Tumblr post things like “omg, the actor who played Khan in the original Star Trek was Arabic, and despite the fact that the Arabic identity did not contribute to Khan’s actual status as an effective villain, Benedict Cumberpatch CAN’T be Khan because he is white!”
Do you see the issue here? Or am I totally off base and/or offensive?
I see a multidimensional character of color is too much to ask for these day. We can’t have a character of color be played by an actor of color now can we?
Too many people cite the theory of “white privilege” as a reason to endorse anti-white racism. But “white skin privilege” was a concept from 1965 based on research that spanned back to the 1920’s. In 2013, white privilege is irrelevant and has been replaced by class privilege. You may be treated poorly if you lack an education, good character, or poor management of debt. But not because you aren’t white. If White Privilege existed, there wouldn’t be non-white CEOs, non-white politicians, etc. In my lifetime, I’ve never received preferential treatment for being white, and I’ve been in plenty of situations where that could have happened. I have been treated differently than those who are not in my same class though (lesser education, lesser income, bad credit, etc), but never based on race. So for all you fuck-tards telling me I need to better educate myself; fuck you, because YOU are the hypocritical asshole who needs to be educated.
Tl;dr: “And because I never experienced it. It must not be real.”